NIST_WTC7_comments3
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Comment
Issue:
1
Listing of Contributors
2
Reference to weather
3
Analysis of the buckling is substantially incomplete.
4
Failure due to thermal expansion in buildings does not happen at low temperatures.
5
Limiting the analysis to properties of the soundtracks to hypothetical blast events is fraudulent
6
Building structure as given in the document(s) is incomplete – therefore the analysis is incomplete.
7
Dimensions and weights of beams must be provided.
8
Aspect ratio of beams
9
Causes for the destruction other than fire and thermal expansion must be properly considered using all available data.
10
Analysis for the fate of the fuel is incomplete.
11
Incomplete analysis of what was heard.
12
It would be like raining dump trucks.
13
No mention of fire, heat or smoke on floors 4,5,6 casts doubt on NIST's analysis of fire immediately above those floors.
14
Spontaneous disintegration
15
Failure to include magnetometer and failure to properly use seismic data.
16
Analysis is incomplete; sound analysis omitted.
17
242-foot drop?!
18
Incongruence in Collapse time calculation.
19
Selective use of audible data. The analysis of sound is incomplete.
Comment
Issue:
20
Eliminating Controlled Demolition through false choice.
21
Need to explain "disintegration."
22
Effects on WTC7 compared with effects on Bankers Trust
23
Modeling a disintegrating structure

Comment
Issue:
24
How was this possible?
25
A building turns to mud?
26
Incorrect description of Bar/Beam shape
27
Stress-strain curves are shown for tension, but according to the text, the beams were loaded in compression.
28
Observed fuming pattern not properly defined or explained
29
Models given do not match enough of observed phenomena, nor to they explain resulting state of WTC 7

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Comment 24

Issue: How was this possible?

Location: page 43 of 115 of pdf, (labeled page 5 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

1.2.3 The Structure

WTC 7 was an irregular trapezoid, approximately 100 m (329 ft) long on the north face and 75 m (247 ft) long on the south face, 44 m (144 ft) wide, and 186 m (610 ft) tall. The 47 story building contained approximately 200,000 m2 (2 million ft2) of floor area. A typical floor was similar in size to a football field. The gross floor area was about 75 percent of that contained in the Empire State Building. As shown in Figure 1-3, about half of WTC 7 rose outside the footprint of the Con Edison substation.
Figure 78. [emphasis added]
page 43 of 115 of pdf, (labeled page 5 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf

Figure 79.
(pre 9/11/01) Source: http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=19357 Image217a.jpg
Figure 82. Debris from WTC7 did not reach the sidewalk adjacent to the Postal Building.
(post 9/11/01) source: Image217b.jpg

Figure 80. WTC7 before
Source: (pre 9/11/01) source:

Figure 81. A view south on West Broadway shows that the debris from WTC7 didn't even reach across the street to the Postal Building.
(9/12-13/01) source:

Figure 83.
(9/23/01) source:

Reason for Comment: Nature of debris is inconsistent with a gravity-driven collapse. A full analysis is necessary of expected debris pile volume and mass. This analysis should then compare with the slumped pile that is noted in pictorial evidence. Comparisons should also be made of composition and organization of the debris field as compared with modeled expectations. It is expected that structural steel debris will fall in a random order, not the organized layout seen within the pile. Further, concrete debris should exist in large chunks, medium size pieces, small pieces, and smaller rubble. This is inconsistent with the nearly uniform dirt/mud consistency seen in the pile.

Suggestion for Revision: The answer to the question, "Where did the debris go?" is [provide answer].




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Comment 25

Issue: A building turns to mud?

Location: page 304 of 382 of pdf, (labeled page 642 of report) http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_vol2_for_public_comment.pdf

Source: G&S Technologies, reproduced with permission

Figure 84. Figure A-9. Con Edison transformer #7 (or #5) uncovered from debris pile of WTC 7; photo taken midOctober, 2001.
page 304 of 382 of pdf, (labeled page 642 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_vol2_for_public_comment.pdf

Reason for Comment: Dirt/Mud shown in Figure 84 is not properly explained. A gravity driven collapse alone would not produce this type of result, or this pile of material. A closer and more detailed analysis of evidence is needed including neatness, composition (e.g. mud and dirt observed in some pictures), fuming, rusting, etc.

Figure 85. A view of the WTC7 dirt pile from Barclay Street.(9/20/01)

Suggestion for Revision: NIST has no current explanation for the dirt/mud that encasing transformers in the remains of the WTC which it documented had occurred. NIST understands that its failure to do so may be a part of the basis for a claim of fraud that will be filed by Dr. Judy Wood.




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Comment 26

Issue: Incorrect description of Bar/Beam shape

Location: page 56 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 4 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Figure 86.
page 56 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 4 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Reason for Comment: Figure caption is not consistent with the image shown. Figure 85 and the commentary describing it should be corrected to accurately describe the image shown.

Shown below are two diagrams found in the technical literature that are described as "round-bar" specimens. The second one is a finite element model of such a specimen.

 

 

 

Figure 87. FRACTURE PROPERTIES OF HIGH STRENGTH LOW ALLOY STEELS UNDER DYNAMIC LOADING
Zdravko Praunseis1*, Masao Toyoda2
Page 4 of 7, source
Figure 88. J. Braz. Soc. Mech. Sci. & Eng. vol.26 no.2 
Rio de Janeiro Apr./June 2004
Numerical investigation of constraint effects on ductile fracture in tensile specimens, C. Ruggieri
article source: , picture source

Suggestion for Revision: [describe properly]




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Comment 27

Issue: Stress-strain curves are shown for tension, but according to the text, the beams were loaded in compression.

Location: 58 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 6 of report), page 61 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 9 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Figure 89.

page 58 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 6 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Figure 90.

page 58 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 6 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf


Figure 91.
page 61 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 9 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf
Figure 92. " Figure 310. STP connection in global model, view of southwest corner above Floor 9." floor connections
page 78 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 26 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Reason for Comment: NIST has focused on tensile tests and tensile data for material that is claimed to have failed in compression in a not-clearly-defined environmental.

Suggestion for Revision: Tension diagrams are shown because.




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Comment 28

Issue: Observed fuming pattern not properly defined or explained

Location: Page 271 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 227 of report), Page 158 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 114 of report), Page 161 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 117 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf

Figure 5—141. Frame from a video shot from near the corner of West Broadway and Barclay Street showing the eastern side of the north face of WTC 7 between 3:53 p.m. and 4:02 p.m.
The intensities have been adjusted, and column and floor numbers have been added.
Figure 93. Page 271 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 227 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf


Figure 5—24. Cropped photograph of the west face of WTC 7 shot from West Street between 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. on September 11.
The structure on the left is the Verizon Building, and the building just visible at the bottom is WTC 6. The intensity levels have been adjusted.

Figure 5—27. Cropped photograph showing the dust cloud created by the collapse of WTC 2.
The image was shot from the west at 10:03:56 a.m. WTC 7 can barely be seen above the cloud. The intensity levels of the photograph have been adjusted.
Figure 94. Page 158 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 114 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf Figure 95. Page 161 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 117 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf

The theoretical time for free fall (i.e., neglecting air friction), was computed from,


where t is the descent time (s), h is the distance fallen (ft), and g is the gravitational acceleration constant, 32.2 ft/s2 (9.81 m/s2). Upon substitution of h = 242 ft. in the above equation, the estimated free fall time for the top of the north face to fall 18 stories was approximately 3.9 s. The uncertainty in this value was also less than 0.1 s.

Thus, the actual time for the upper 18 stories to collapse, based on video evidence, was approximately 40 percent longer than the computed free fall time and was consistent with physical principles.
Figure 96. [emphasis added]
page 79 of 115 of pdf, (labeled page 41 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf


Figure 5—157. Frame taken from a video clip shot from the northeast, showing the north face of WTC 7 within a few minutes of the WTC 7 collapse at 5:20:52 p.m.
The intensity levels were adjusted.
Figure 97. Page 285 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 241 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf


Figure 5—209. Frame from the Camera 6 video clip in Figure 5—189, showing the north face of WTC 7 10.0 s ± 0.2 s after the east penthouse began to descend.
The intensities have been adjusted.

Figure 5—212. Frame from the Camera 6 video clip in Figure 5—189, showing the north face of WTC 7 11.0 s ± 0.2 s after the east penthouse began to move downward.
The intensities have been adjusted.
Figure 98. Page 327 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 283 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf Figure 99. Page 328 of 404 of pdf (labeled page 284 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9_Vol1_for_public_comment.pdf

Reason for Comment: Analysis is incomplete and does not address the disintegration of the building. If the top portion of the building "fell" at near free-fall speed, it would have encountered no more resistance from the lower portions than from air. But, the building disintegrated while falling as if it encountered very high resistance. Here we have conditions which contradict each other and which NIST fails to address, much less explain. In fact, the observed conditions are consistent with unusual energy effects that are obvious and that mandate explanation. The failure to address the observed conditions may be evidence of fraud and/or criminal wrongdoing.

Figure 100. WTC7 appears to be dissolving.
Source: image001.jpg
Figure 101. WTC7 appears to be dissolving.
Source: NYC14148.jpg

Figure 102. WTC1 lathering up shortly after the destruction of WTC2. This is a distinctive phenomenon. This occurred prior to the "initiation of collapse" of WTC1. Figure 103. WTC1 disintegrated while falling.

 


Suggestion for Revision: We have no explanation for for what caused WTC7 to dissolve and if there are those who wish to assert that our failure to address this is fraudulent, then they may do so. We acknowledge being placed on notice of this claim of fraud in comments received from Dr. Judy Wood.




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Comment 29

Issue: Models given do not match enough of observed phenomena, nor to they explain resulting state of WTC 7

Location: slide 11 of 17 of News Briefing slide,, page 160 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 108 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Figure 104. slide 11 of 17 of News Briefing slide, http://wtc.nist.gov/media/WTC7_News_Briefing_082008.pdf Figure 105. page 160 of 170 of pdf (labeled page 108 of report), http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1-9A_for_public_comment.pdf

Reason for Comment: Modeling of the progressive/global collapse shows the building contorting, flexing and losing its shape. This is inconsistent with pictorial and video evidence. Observed evidence is the truth theory must mimic.

The diagrams in Figure 105 do not mimic the real event, shown in Figure 104. The models presented are inadequate as explanations for the data/phenomena briefly outlined in parts of this document.

Suggestion for Revision: We are unable to explain the observed phenomena, so have ignored them. We acknowledge being placed on notice of this claim of fraud in comments received from Dr. Judy Wood.






Once again, the comment period is woefully insufficient for full and fair public comment. Additional time should be provided. If more time is provided, then I will offer additional comments.

In addition, on February 29, 2008, I submitted a detailed report (here and here) calling attention to ongoing clear and present danger arising from nonself-quenching toxicity arising from the evidence of use of exotic weaponry to destroy the WTC complex. NIST did not ever indicate acknowledgment of those concerns. The draft WTC 7 report continues the ongoing process of deception and of disregard of the public's right to know why and how the WTC complex was destroyed. That situation is a travesty.

If there are any questions concerning these submitted comments, please contact either me or my below-listed counsel.

Respectfully,

Dr Judy Wood



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